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Had the old Mexican stand-off with Master Redpath yesterday (Thursday), who was sitting in room 2.21 at the High Court in Belfast.

His list had our client, who was a litigant in person listed for 9.30 with the rest of the mentions at call over. The Master and his office were well aware that I was there to assist my client as the client could not be there due to being out of the jurisdiction. The other side knew this as well.

We were never spoken to until after all the vocational lawyers (solicitors and counsel) had left, and then only by the Master’s clerk who came out asking was there anyone there for Mr X. We said we were there for Mr X and were informed that the matter was adjourned to the 25th February!! I asked whether costs were awarded and the clerk said they weren’t. At least that was something. That was at around 11.30, meaning we waited for over two full hours to hear that, and not once did anyone come out for us.

I accept that a litigant in person should not be in chambers to listen to everyone else’s business, and I also accept that taking the litigant in person in first would only add to the costs of the multitude of other clients.

Why not have a list for litigants in person that actually says the time they will get their chance to go in and see the judge or master? If the list had’ve said Mr and Mrs X at 1130 we would not have turned up at 9.30. Same goes if one of the parties is represented and one is a litigant in person.

You guys and girls in England and Wales will say that court attendances are timed. I know that, as we do a lot of work there. Hearings are rarely timed in family cases in Northern Ireland, meaning that people are turning up at court on time and because of the lawyers jostling for position, and the courts lack of concern about a personal litigant, personal litigants and their McKenzie friends are kicking their heels for hours. Personal litigants are losing money from lost hours at work and having to pay their McKenzie friends.

Who would be a personal litigant! More and more people it would seem…

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Just thought I would share the following letter with our readers that was sent to both Lady Silvia Hermon MP and Nigel Dodds MP seeking clarification on the law on Northern Ireland in relation to ‘communications’ of documents and other information on Children Order and Matrimonial Causes Order cases.

From: John Junk [mailto:belfast@familycourtsupport.co.uk]
Sent: 22 January 2010 14:59
To: Lady Sylvia Hermon MP for North Down
Cc: ‘Nigel Dodds’
Subject: Family Court ‘communications’ Northern Ireland

Dear Lady Sylvia

Thank you for seeing both myself and your constituent at your Bangor constituency office on Friday 15th January 2010.

You mentioned that you would consider seeking clarification on a number of matters raised during that meeting by way of Parliamentary questions. I suggested that a more expedited way to deal with the matter would be to write to the Head of the Family Division in Northern Ireland Mr Justice Weir, and to copy Sir Declan Morgan, the Lord Chief Justice in to the correspondence as an information addressee. Regardless of which method you chose to staff this matter, I thought it might be helpful for you if I were to formalise the issues I raised with you around ‘communication’ of documents under the Children (NI) Order 1995 and the Matrimonial Causes (Northern Ireland) Order 1978.

Firstly I made the point that I was unsure whether a Member of Parliament in Northern Ireland (and their staff?) required leave to see any documents from either a current or historical Children Order or Matrimonial Causes case. I believe that both yourself and your staff would be aided in your work if this matter was clarified and communicated to you by either the Northern Ireland Court Service or from the senior judiciary. A similar issue arose today when I was called to the office of Nigel Dodds MP to speak to a constituent of his who had attended at his office with a live Children Order matter, currently being heard by District Judge Alcorn at Antrim. I advised Mr Dodds’ office and the constituent that as I had not been granted leave to see the papers I felt unable to assist, and cautioned them on what I believed the law to be on communication. I have coped Mr Dodds’ office into this email.

Secondly, I pointed out that as a lay adviser and McKenzie friend who assists in divorce, ancillary relief and private law matters under the 1978 and 1995 Orders, it is my experience that unlike England and Wales, there is no formal direction (for from example the Family Proceeding Rules Committee) that states that litigants in person do not require leave to show papers to their McKenzie friends and lay advisers. I cannot speak for others in the lay advice sector such as Women’s Aid or the Citizen Advice Bureau, but I can say with confidence that there either is no accepted procedure for lay advisers seeing documents in cases under either the 1978 or 1995 Orders, or alternatively if any global guidance does exist it is not being followed throughout the court system in Northern Ireland. In support of this assertion, and by way of example I will set out a number of situations I have experienced in local courts.

On one occasion I had to give an oral undertaking under oath in the High Court in front of Mr Justice McLaughlin to be granted leave to see papers; whilst on another occasion I had to be given leave to see case papers by a Master that I had already seen; and had admitted to having seen. I have had to apply for, and been given leave to see papers by a range of magistrates after the court made the issue justiciable, by the magistrate raising the matter of their own motion. On numerous other occasions jurists have made no issue about my seeing the papers, and leave was neither sought nor given, and I was granted a discretionary right of audience to advocate my client’s case. I count Mr Justice Weir and the current Lord Chief Justice in the latter category.

I feel that the position in Northern Ireland is unsatisfactory in that litigants in person are unnecessarily being prevented from obtaining assistance as urgently as they require it. On a personal level I am potentially placing myself in an contemptuous position as the law stands in Northern Ireland by seeing papers without leave being granted. It is impractical to expect anyone to assist in a case if they cannot see the papers at the earliest possible opportunity, normally when a client attends a lay adviser.

This position is to be contrasted with the position in England and Wales where Statutory Instrument 2005 No. 1976 (L. 18 ) The Family Proceedings (Amendment No 4) Rules 2005, and subsequent primary and secondary legislation applies, sanctioning McKenzie friends and lay advisors to see the entirety of the papers without seeking leave.

Some authoritative interim guidance setting out the position in Northern Ireland would be helpful until such times as the matter can be considered by whichever legislature ends up dealing with the substantive issue.

Yours sincerely
John Junk

For www.familycourtsupport.co.uk

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By their own account RFFJ NI had a successful meeting with the SDLP at Stormont yesterday. I haven’t seen any press release from the SDLP, setting out their commitments but I may just have missed that.

Other groups such as Families need Fathers and Fathers for Justice in Northern Ireland need to take a leaf out of RFFJ’s book and publicise these meetings on their respective websites ahead of time and blog a report after the meeting. It may also be helpful to make the briefing documents available online so that other supporters can see what research was being relied on.

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Northern Ireland politicians and others in Contempt of Court for discussing Children Order matters?

January 19, 2010

Having taken some time out to concentrate on political developments in Northern Ireland, most of our original readers will be glad to hear that I am going back to my specialist subject, family law reform. Of course I would like our new readers to stay, but unless the issues I normally blog on affect them [...]

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Kirk McCambley Iris Robinson, Castlereagh Borough Council ‘Rentgate’

January 14, 2010

At long last someone has finally been able to research and run a story similar to an ‘Easter Egg’ placed in one of our posts here
We said:-

The Lockkeepers Inn was packed to the rafters. That isn’t really that hard as it’s quite small inside. On a business front I would say it would be quite [...]

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Kirk McCambley and Iris Robinson, evidence evidence evidence

January 12, 2010

BBC Panorama must be under huge financial constraints given that they pushed out a largely re-badged version of the original BBC Spotlight investigation. (For UK readers BBC iPlayer version of Iris Robinson ‘Spotlight Special’ here, Panorama’s ‘The MP and the Whistleblower’ here and for rest of world YouTube chopped up version starting here .
The original [...]

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Update on Iris Robinson and Kirk McCambley, some original photos

January 10, 2010

Thought I would go and visit the Lockkeepers Inn today in Belfast to see if I could catch a glimpse of Kirk McCambley and sample some of his Iris Irish Stew.
We got fresh Belfast baps with our stew, but the table behind us got two withered dried up baps.
Business was so good in the soft [...]

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Iris Robinson and Kirk McCambley

January 8, 2010

If you don’t know what this post is about and you want to, and live in the UK, click here for BBC iPlayer of last nights Spotlight Investigation into Iris Robinson MP, MLA, Councillor and wife of the First Minister of Northern Ireland.For the rest of you I am assuming you watched the programme.
In a [...]

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RAC refuse to attend with heavily pregnant woman after car becomes stranded in snow

December 23, 2009

****MAJOR UPDATE AT BOTTOM***RAC REPLIES TWICE?****
Not really related to the subject matter of the blog but as I know various news organisations will want some background on this story, I have put it here rather than fielding calls all morning.
Anyone based in the UK will be aware that the AA have accused local [...]

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Real Fathers for Justice speak to Belfast News Letter

December 22, 2009

Real Fathers for Justice are mentioned in an article in the Belfast News Letter today. The online version is here. For those of you who don’t know, the Belfast News Letter is the oldest English language daily newspaper still in publication anywhere in the world, and was  first printed in 1737.
The nub [...]

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Who would be a solicitor in England and Wales? Almost everyone it would seem!!

December 21, 2009

Interesting article and comments in the online version of the England and Wales Law Society Gazette, about the solicitor branch of the legal profession. Too may graduates, not enough training places. It’s gotten so bad that the Law Society in England is warning students about the situation.
As trainers and providers of family law McKenzie friends [...]

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“Do Your Own Divorce – A Practical Guide to Divorcing Without a Lawyer” Book Review

December 8, 2009

I am sure there are vocational lawyers out there who will be spitting feathers at the mere suggestion of doing a divorce without a lawyer, but don’t shoot the messenger as it is one of your own who has written this book! John Bolch is a solicitor with over 25 years experience specialising in divorce [...]

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The Children Act 1989 – past it’s sell by date?

December 7, 2009

Interesting piece in the Guardian about the alleged demise of court reporting generally given the collapse of the print media industry, and how a dearth of reporters reporting might militate against ‘Open Justice’. I would add that the prospect of having to pay for content might negatively affect reports reaching the general public.
Such is our [...]

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Dr Pelling speaks on Children Schools & Families Bill and statutory reversal of Clayton-v-Clayton

November 30, 2009

Dr Michael Pelling has given the following analysis of the effect of the Children Schools and Families Bill on existing “openness” precedents Clayton v.Clayton and Clibbery v.Allan and shows that far from increasing transparency in Family proceedings, the Bill in many respects does the exact opposite.
Why the Children Schools & Families Bill implies a statutory reversal [...]

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‘Publicity in Family Proceedings’ Panel Discussion, FLBA Annual Conference

November 29, 2009

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The Indy has a short note titled ‘Cuts warning over family courts’, about the FLBA Annual Conference held in Bath yesterday with Mr Justice Coleridge supposedly linking delay in family cases with increased media access.
The story doesn’t really make any sense until you read it in conjunction with this post by Lucy Reed, family [...]

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Progress for McKenzie friends in Scotland but still a way to go

November 26, 2009

Following on from our post about where McKenzie friends should sit Peter Cherbi has just announced on his blog that for the first time since the seminal judgment in McKenzie-v-McKenzie in 1970, a McKenzie friend has been permitted to assist a litigant in person in a Scottish Court.  Bizarrely however Lord Woolman decreed that the [...]

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